Swami Vivekananda
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Conversations and Dialogues: Shri Sharat Chandra Chakravarty

23. Always remember that renunciation is the root idea.

[Place: The Belur Math. Year:1902.]

Today is the anniversary celebration of Shri Ramakrishna—the last that Swamiji ever saw. The disciple presented an invocatory hymn on Shri Ramakrishna to Swamiji. He then proceeded to rub Swamiji’s feet gently. Before starting to read the poem, Swamiji spoke to him: “Do it very gently as the feet have become very tender.”

After reading the poem Swamiji said, “It is well done.”

Swamiji’s illness had increased so much that the disciple, observing it, felt sore at heart. Understanding his inner feeling, Swamiji said, “What are you thinking? This body is born and it will die. If I have been able to instill a few of my ideas into you all, then I shall know that my birth has not been in vain.”

Disciple: Are we fit objects of your mercy? If you bless me, without taking my fitness into consideration, then I will consider myself fortunate.

Swamiji: Always remember that renunciation is the root idea. Unless one is initiated into this idea, not even Brahmā and the World-Gods have the power to attain Mukti.

Disciple: It is a matter of deep regret that even hearing this from you almost every day, I have not been able to realise it.

Swamiji: Renunciation must come, but in the fulness of time. “कालेनात्मनि विन्दति—In the fulness of time one attains to knowledge within himself.” When the few Samskāras (tendencies) of the previous life are spent, then renunciation sprouts up in the heart.

After some time he said, “Why should you go outside and see the big concourse of people? Stay with me now. And ask Niranjan to sit at the door, so that nobody may disturb me today.”

Then the following conversation took place between Swamiji and the disciple:

Swamiji: I think that it will be better if from now the anniversary is celebrated in a different way. The celebration should extend to four or five days instead of one. On the first day, there may be study and interpretation of scriptures; on the second, discussion on the Vedas and the Vedānta and the solution of the problems in connection with them; on the third day, there may be a question class. The fourth day may be fixed for lectures. On the last day, there will be a festival on the present lines. This will be like the Durgā Pujā extending over four or five days. Of course, if the celebration is on the above lines, none but the devotees of Shri Ramakrishna will be able to attend on the other days except the last. But that does not matter. A large promiscuous crowd of people does not mean a great propagation of the message of Shri Ramakrishna.

Disciple: Sir, it is a beautiful idea. Next time it may be done according to your wishes.

Swamiji: Now, my son, you all will carry them out. I have no more inclination for these things.

Disciple: Sir, this year many Kirtana parties have come.

Hearing these words Swamiji stood up holding the iron bars of the window and looked at the assembled crowd of devotees. After some time he sat down.

Swamiji: You are the actors in the Divine Lilā (play) of Shri Ramakrishna. After this, not to speak of ours, people will take your names also. These hymns which you are writing will afterwards be read by people for the acquirement of love and knowledge. Know that the attainment of the knowledge of the Ātman is the highest object of life. If you have devotion for the Avatāras who are the world-teachers, that knowledge will manifest of itself in time.

Disciple: Sir, shall I attain to such knowledge?

Swamiji: By the blessings of Shri Ramakrishna you shall attain to divine love and knowledge. You will not find much happiness in the worldly life.

Disciple: Sir, if you condescend to destroy the weakness of my mind, then only there is hope for me.

Swamiji: What fear! When you have chanced to come here, you shall be free.

Disciple (with great entreaty): You must save me and lift me from ignorance in this very life.

Swamiji: Say, who can save anybody? The Guru can only take away some covering veils. When these veils are removed, the Ātman shines in Its own glory and manifests like the sun.

Disciple: Then why do we find mention of grace in the scriptures?

Swamiji: Grace means this. He who has realized the Ātman becomes a storehouse of great power. Making him the centre and with a certain radius a circle is formed, and whoever comes within the circle becomes animated with the ideas of that saint, i.e. they are overwhelmed by his ideas. Thus without much religious striving, they inherit the results of his wonderful spirituality. If you call this grace, you may do so.

Disciple: Is there no other grace than this?

Swamiji: Yes, there is. When the Avatāra comes, then with him are born liberated persons as helpers in his world-play. Only Avatāras have the power to dispel the darkness of a million souls and give them salvation in one life. This is known as grace. Do you understand?

Disciple: Yes, sir. But what is the way for those who have not been blessed with the sight of him?

Swamiji: The way for them is to call on him. Calling on him, many are blessed with his vision—can see him in human form just like ours and obtain his grace.

Disciple: Have you ever had a vision of Shri Ramakrishna after his passing away?

Swamiji: After leaving the body, I associated for some time with Pavhāri Bābā of Ghazipur. There was a garden not far distant from his Āshrama where I lived. People used to say it was a haunted garden, but as you know, I am a sort of demon myself and have not much fear of ghosts. In the garden there were many lemon trees which bore numerous fruits. At that time I was suffering from diarrhoea, and there no food could be had except bread. So, to increase the digestive powers, I used to take plenty of lemons. Mixing with Pavhāri Bābā, I liked him very much, and he also came to love me deeply. One day I thought that I did not learn any art for making this weak body strong, even though I lived with Shri Ramakrishna for so many years. I had heard that Pavhāri Bābā knew the science of Hatha-Yoga. So I thought I would learn the practices of Hatha-Yoga from him, and through them strengthen the body. You know, I have a dogged resolution, and whatever I set my heart on, I always carry out. On the eve of the day on which I was to take initiation, I was lying on a cot thinking; and just then I saw the form of Sri Ramakrishna standing on my right side, looking steadfastly at me, as if very much grieved. I had dedicated myself to him, and at the thought that I was taking another Guru I was much ashamed and kept looking at him. Thus perhaps two or three hours passed, but no words escaped from my mouth. Then he disappeared all on a sudden. My mind became upset seeing Shri Ramakrishna that night, so I postponed the idea of initiation from Pavhāri Bābā for the day. After a day or two again the idea of initiation from Pavhāri Bābā arose in the mind—and again in the night there was the appearance of Shri Ramakrishna as on the previous occasion. Thus when for several nights in succession I had the vision of Shri Ramakrishna, I gave up the idea of initiation altogether, thinking that as every time I resolved on it, I was getting such a vision, then no good but harm would come from it.

After some time he addressed the disciple, saying, “Those who have seen Shri Ramakrishna are really blessed. Their family and birth have become purified by it. All of you will also get his vision. The very fact that you have come here, shows that you are very near to him. Nobody has been able to understand who came on earth as Sri Ramakrishna. Even his own nearest devotees have got no real clue to it. Only some have got a little inkling of it. All will understand it afterwards.”

The conversation was thus going on when Swami Niranjanānanda knocked at the door. The disciple rose and inquired, “Who has come?” Swami Niranjanānanda replied, “Sister Nivedita and some other English ladies.” They were admitted into the room, sat on the floor and inquired about the health of Swamiji. After a few more words they went away. Then Swamiji said to the disciple, “See how cultured they are! If they were Bengalis, they would have made me talk at least for half an hour, even though they found me unwell.”

It is about half past two now, and there is a great gathering of people outside. Understanding the disciple’s mind, Swamiji said, “Just go and have a look round—but come back soon.”

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Inspired Talks
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  27. Inspired Talks: Friday, July 19
  28. Inspired Talks: Saturday, July 20
  29. Inspired Talks: Sunday, July 21
  30. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, July 23
  31. Inspired Talks: Wednesday, July 24
  32. Inspired Talks: Thursday, July 25
  33. Inspired Talks: Friday, July 26
  34. Inspired Talks: Saturday, July 27
  35. Inspired Talks: Sunday, July 28
  36. Inspired Talks: Monday, July 29
  37. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, July 30
  38. Inspired Talks: Wednesday, July 31
  39. Inspired Talks: Thursday, August 1
  40. Inspired Talks: Friday, August 2
  41. Inspired Talks: Saturday, August 3
  42. Inspired Talks: Sunday, August 4
  43. Inspired Talks: Monday, August 5
  44. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, August 6
Conversations and Dialogues: Shri Sharat Chandra Chakravarty
  1. 1. Each Hindu, I say, is a brother to every other
  2. 2. Always talk and hear and reason about this Ātman.
  3. 3. He who is truly and sincerely reliant on the Lord goes beyond all idea of the duality of good and bad.
  4. 4. Since visiting Amarnāth, I feel as if Shiva is sitting on my head for twenty-four hours and would not come down.
  5. 5. Try to manifest this Ātman, and you will see your intellect penetrating into all subjects.
  6. 6. You have only got to know that you are Eternal Brahman.
  7. 7. You have locked up your intelligence, thrown away your inherited wealth to others, and roam about crying piteously for food.
  8. 8. I am of opinion that the conclusion of the ancient Indian philosophers is the last word on the causes of evolution.
  9. 9. “नायमात्मा बलहीनेन लभ्य:—This Ātman cannot be attained by the weak.
  10. 10. Negative thoughts weaken men.
  11. 11. I am ready to undergo a hundred thousand rebirths to train up a single man.
  12. 12. Laziness, meanness, and hypocrisy have covered the whole length and breadth of the country.
  13. 13. Now is wanted—as said in the Gitā by the Lord—intense Karma-Yoga
  14. 14. Nāg Mahāshaya has lost himself in the Divine, his body-consciousness has vanished altogether.
  15. 15. Shri Ramakrishna used to deprecate lukewarmness in spiritual attainments
  16. 16. Shri Ramakrishna was born to vivify all branches of art and culture in this country.
  17. 17. The few days that the body lasts, I will work for you. I shall die in harness.
  18. 18. As far as you can, you must go on doing good work.
  19. 19. Come what may, I shall not forget my duty, whether the world remains or dissolves—these are the words of a great hero.
  20. 20. This Kāli is Brahman in manifestation.
  21. 21. Nothing good in the world becomes fruitless, be it work or thought.
  22. 22. The philosophic portion of the Upanishads has remained unchanged up till now
  23. 23. Always remember that renunciation is the root idea.
  24. 24. God is present in every Jiva; there is no other God besides that.
  25. 25. Real monasticism is not easy to attain. There is no order of life so rigorous as this.
  26. 26. The gift of knowledge is the highest gift in the world.
  27. 27. Shri Ramakrishna was a wonderful gardener.
  28. 28. Without drinking the water of mother Gangā, a sweet, musical voice is not acquired.
  29. 29. Always try to get absorbed in the eternally present Ātman.
Conversations and Dialogues: Shri Priya Nath Sinha
  1. 30. Self-sacrifice, indeed, is the basis of all civilisation.
  2. 31. This idea must be preached to everyone—work, work, endless work—without looking at results,
Conversations and Dialogues: Miscellaneous
  1. 32. Vengeance of History
  2. Religion, Civilisation, And Miracles (The Appeal-Avalanche )
  3. Religion, Civilisation, and Miracles
  4. Religious Harmony
  5. Fallen Women
Translation of Writings
  1. Note
  2. I. Memoirs of European Travel
  3. II. Memoirs of European Travel
  4. III. Memoirs of European Travel-Addenda
Notes of Class Talks and Lectures
  1. On Art
  2. On Music
  3. On Mantra And Mantra-Chaitanya
  4. On Conceptions Of Godhead
  5. On Food
  6. On Sannyasa And Family Life
  7. On Questioning The Competency Of The Guru
  8. Shri Ramakrishna: The Significance Of His Life And Teachings
  9. On Shri Ramakrishna And His Views
  10. Shri Ramakrishna: The Nation's Ideal
Notes of Lectures
  1. Mercenaries In Religion
  2. The Destiny Of Man
  3. Reincarnation
  4. Comparative Theology
  5. Buddhism, The Religion Of The Light Of Asia
  6. The Science Of Yoga
Epistles: Third Series
  1. NOTE
  2. 1. Such courage is impossible in a lying and unchaste woman.
  3. 2. The doctor is a noble soul, and they have got a brotherhood
  4. 3. Of the few places I have recently visited, this is the healthiest.
  5. 4. May the Lord ordain that your son becomes a man, and never a coward!
  6. 5. Whoever takes the name of Ramakrishna, know him to be your Guru
  7. 6. Any shortcoming in adopting remedial measures is to be considered as idleness—it is a fault and a guilt.
  8. 7. How, O man, dost thou want satisfaction in such a world!
  9. 8. You are a real Mahātmā (a great soul) and Mrs. Wright is nonpareil.
  10. 9. All creeds do come from Thee; The Vedas, Bible, and Koran bold Sing Thee in harmony.
  11. 10. He who was guiding me on the snow tops of the Himalayas and the burning plains of India is here to help me and guide me.
  12. 11. Just now I am lecturing about Chicago—and am doing as I think very well
  13. 12. America is the only place where there is a chance of success for everything.
  14. 13. Dr. Momerie came to the Parliament in spite of the Archbishop of Canterbury’s denouncing of the Parliament of Religions.
  15. 14. May your feet never touch the mud and dirt of this terrible world
  16. 15. All religions are sacred to me.
  17. 16. Your love and noble heart can convert the stone into down.
  18. 17. The Lord is great, none can injure His children.
  19. 18. I am a vegetarian …, because I prefer it when I can get it.
  20. 19. It is unnecessary for me to say that I will be very happy to do as you say
  21. 20. The way to God is the opposite to that of the world.
  22. 21. I am bound, my dear friend, to give you every satisfaction of my being a genuine Sannyāsin, but to you alone.
  23. 22. This is a queer place—this world of ours.
  24. 23. Keeping aloof from the community of nations is the only cause for the downfall of India.
  25. 24. May you have exceeding love for one another among yourselves
  26. 25. Be the servant if you will rule. That is the real secret.
  27. 26. It is character that can cleave through adamantine walls of difficulties. Bear this in mind.
  28. 27. If you have the spirit within, you will never fail to attract others.
  29. 28. It is a great work to bring this world into a spirit of sympathy with each other
  30. 29. Teaching has become a part of my life, as necessary to my life as eating or breathing.
  31. 30. The city is hot in summer, exactly like Calcutta.
  32. 31. You must always remember that you are addressing the whole world, not India alone
  33. 32. Obedience is the first duty
  34. 33. The eternal, the infinite, the omnipresent, the omniscient is a principle, not a person.
  35. 34. Our whole country is steeped in Tamas, and nothing but that.
  36. 35. This is the world my brother—this illusion of Māyā—the Lord alone is true.
  37. 36. I only say, awake, awake!
  38. 37. No one of the types we call religious ought to die
  39. 38. It is this yearning that gradually brings on a concentration of the mind on the eternal Brahman.
  40. 39. India is already Ramakrishna’s whether I live a few years more or not.
  41. 40. What we want are brave young men who will work, not tomfools.
  42. 41. Lord bless you for your great self-sacrifice for the poor Indians.
  43. 42. It is absolutely necessary to stand on one’s own feet.
  44. 43. Love stops not for questions of birth. Nor the hungry man for stale food.
  45. 44. Whosoever of you have given me a coat? Whosoever a cigar? Whosoever a bit of fish or flesh?
  46. 45. Miss Noble is doing very well here, and working her way out.
  47. 46. It is a grand sight to see a giant pine struggling against a cyclone. Is it not?
  48. 47. It is the Saviour who should “go his way rejoicing, and not the saved”.
  49. 48. Seeing such souls here and there repays for all the nonsense of this life.
  50. 49. I am eternally thankful to you for all your kindness
  51. 50. I do not mind at all whether people come round to help me or not
  52. 51. It is human nature to ask for more favours (now that they have come) where it gets from.
  53. 52. I just want a bit of peace badly—pray for me.
  54. 53. Eternal faith in Self, in all The sight Divine in great in small