Swami Vivekananda
The Complete Works: Volume VIIPage 1 of 1

Conversations and Dialogues: Shri Sharat Chandra Chakravarty

4. Since visiting Amarnāth, I feel as if Shiva is sitting on my head for twenty-four hours and would not come down.

[Place: The rented Math premises at Belur. Year: 1898, November]

It is two or three days since Swamiji has returned from Kashmir. His health is indifferent. When the disciple came to the Math, Swami Brahmānanda said, “Since returning from Kashmir, Swamiji does not speak to anybody, he sits in one place rapt in thought; you go to him and by conversation try to draw his mind a little towards worldly objects.”

The disciple coming to Swamiji’s room in the upper storey found him sitting as if immersed in deep meditation. There was no smile on his face, his brilliant eyes had no outward look, as if intent on seeing something within. Seeing the disciple, he only said. “You have come, my son? Please take your seat”, and lapsed into silence. The disciple seeing the inside of his left eye reddened asked, “How is it that your eye is red?” “That is nothing”, said Swamiji and was again silent. When even after a long time Swamiji did not speak, the disciple was a little troubled at heart and touching his feet said, “Won’t you relate to me what things you have seen at Amarnath?” By the disciple’s touching his feet, the tensity of his mood was broken a little, as if his attention was diverted a little outwards. He said, “Since visiting Amarnāth, I feel as if Shiva is sitting on my head for twenty-four hours and would not come down.” The disciple heard it with speechless wonder.

Swamiji: I underwent great religious austerities at Amarnath and then in the temple of Kshir Bhavāni. Go and prepare me some tobacco, I will relate everything to you.

The disciple joyfully obeyed the order. Swamiji slowly smoking began to say, “On the way to Amarnath, I made a very steep ascent on the mountain. Pilgrims do not generally travel by that path. But the determination came upon me that I must go by that path, and so I did. The labour of the strenuous ascent has told on my body. The cold there is so biting that you feel it like pin-pricks.”

Disciple: I have heard that it is the custom to visit the image of Amarnath naked; is it so?

Swamiji: Yes, I entered the cave with only my Kaupina on and my body smeared with holy ash; I did not then feel any cold or heat. But when I came out of the temple, I was benumbed by the cold.

Disciple: Did you see the holy pigeons? I have heard, in that cold no living creatures are found to live, but a flight of pigeons from some unknown place frequents the place occasionally.

Swamiji: Yes, I saw three or four white pigeons; whether they live in the cave or the neighbouring hills, I could not ascertain.

Disciple: Sir, I have heard people say that the sight of pigeons on coming out of the temple indicates that one has really been blessed with the vision of Shiva.

Swamiji: I have heard that the sight of the pigeons brings to fruition whatever desires one may have.

Then Swamiji said that on the way back he returned to Srinagar by the common route by which the pilgrims return. A few days after returning to Srinagar, he went to visit Kshir Bhavani Devi and staying there for seven days worshipped the Devi and made Homa to her with offerings of Kshira (condensed milk). Every day he used to worship the Devi with a maund of Kshira as offering. One day, while worshipping, the thought arose in Swamiji’s mind: “Mother Bhavani has been manifesting Her Presence here for untold years. The Mohammedans came and destroyed Her temple, yet the people of the place did nothing to protect Her. Alas, if I were then living, I could never have borne it silently.” When, thinking in this strain, his mind was much oppressed with sorrow and anguish, he distinctly heard the voice of the Mother saying, “It was according to My desire that the Mohammedans destroyed this temple. It is My desire that I should live in a dilapidated temple, otherwise, can I not immediately erect a seven-storeyed temple of gold here if I like? What can you do? Shall I protect you or shall you protect me!” Swamiji said, “Since hearing that Divine Voice, I cherish no more plans. The idea of building Maths etc. I have given up; as Mother wills, so it will be.” The disciple, speechless with wonder, began to think, “Did he not one day tell me that whatever I saw and heard was but the echo of the Ātman within me, that there was nothing outside?”—and fearlessly spoke it out also—“Sir, you used to say that Divine Voices are the echo of our inward thoughts and feelings.” Swamiji gravely said, “Whether it be internal or external, if you actually hear with your ears such a disembodied voice, as I have done, can you deny it and call it false? Divine Voices are actually heard, just as you and I are talking.”

The disciple, without controverting accepted Swamiji’s words, for his words always carried conviction.

He then brought up the subject of departed spirits, and said, “Sir, these ghosts and departed spirits we hear about—which the Shāstras also amply corroborate—are all these true or not?

Swamiji: Certainly they are true. Whatever you don’t see, are they all false for that? Beyond your sight, millions of universes are revolving at great distances. Because you do not see them, are they non-existent for that? But then, do not put your mind on these subjects of ghosts and spirits. Your mental attitude towards them should be one of indifference. Your duty is to realise the Ātman within this body. When you realise the Ātman, ghosts and spirits will be your slaves.

Disciple: But sir, I think that, if one sees them, it strengthens one’s belief in the hereafter, and dispels all doubts about it.

Swamiji: You are heroes; do you mean to say that even you shall have to strengthen your belief in the hereafter by seeing ghosts and spirits! You have read so many sciences and scriptures—have mastered so many secrets of this infinite universe—even with such knowledge, you have to acquire the knowledge of the Ātman by seeing ghosts and spirits! What a shame!

Disciple: Well, sir, have you ever seen ghosts and spirits?

Swamiji narrated that a certain deceased relative of his used to come to him as a disembodied spirit. Sometimes it used to bring him information about distant events. But on verification, some of its information was not found to be correct. Afterwards at a certain place of pilgrimage Swamiji prayed for it mentally, wishing it might be released—since then he did not see it again.

The disciple then questioned Swamiji if Shrāddha or other obsequial ceremonies appeased the departed spirits in any way. Swamiji replied, “That is not impossible.” On the disciple’s asking for the grounds of that belief Swamiji said, “I will explain the subject to you at length some day. There are irrefutable arguments to prove that the Shrāddha ceremony appeases the departed beings. Today I don’t feel well. I shall explain it to you another day.” But the disciple did not get another opportunity to ask that question to Swamiji.

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Inspired Talks
  1. Inspired Talks: Wednesday, June 19
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  15. Inspired Talks: Sunday, July 7
  16. Inspired Talks: Monday, July 8
  17. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, July 9
  18. Inspired Talks: Wednesday, July 10
  19. Inspired Talks: Thursday, July 11
  20. Inspired Talks: Friday, July 12
  21. Inspired Talks: Saturday, July 13
  22. Inspired Talks: Sunday, July 14
  23. Inspired Talks: Monday, July 15
  24. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, July 16
  25. Inspired Talks: Wednesday, July 17
  26. Inspired Talks: Thursday, July 18
  27. Inspired Talks: Friday, July 19
  28. Inspired Talks: Saturday, July 20
  29. Inspired Talks: Sunday, July 21
  30. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, July 23
  31. Inspired Talks: Wednesday, July 24
  32. Inspired Talks: Thursday, July 25
  33. Inspired Talks: Friday, July 26
  34. Inspired Talks: Saturday, July 27
  35. Inspired Talks: Sunday, July 28
  36. Inspired Talks: Monday, July 29
  37. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, July 30
  38. Inspired Talks: Wednesday, July 31
  39. Inspired Talks: Thursday, August 1
  40. Inspired Talks: Friday, August 2
  41. Inspired Talks: Saturday, August 3
  42. Inspired Talks: Sunday, August 4
  43. Inspired Talks: Monday, August 5
  44. Inspired Talks: Tuesday, August 6
Conversations and Dialogues: Shri Sharat Chandra Chakravarty
  1. 1. Each Hindu, I say, is a brother to every other
  2. 2. Always talk and hear and reason about this Ātman.
  3. 3. He who is truly and sincerely reliant on the Lord goes beyond all idea of the duality of good and bad.
  4. 4. Since visiting Amarnāth, I feel as if Shiva is sitting on my head for twenty-four hours and would not come down.
  5. 5. Try to manifest this Ātman, and you will see your intellect penetrating into all subjects.
  6. 6. You have only got to know that you are Eternal Brahman.
  7. 7. You have locked up your intelligence, thrown away your inherited wealth to others, and roam about crying piteously for food.
  8. 8. I am of opinion that the conclusion of the ancient Indian philosophers is the last word on the causes of evolution.
  9. 9. “नायमात्मा बलहीनेन लभ्य:—This Ātman cannot be attained by the weak.
  10. 10. Negative thoughts weaken men.
  11. 11. I am ready to undergo a hundred thousand rebirths to train up a single man.
  12. 12. Laziness, meanness, and hypocrisy have covered the whole length and breadth of the country.
  13. 13. Now is wanted—as said in the Gitā by the Lord—intense Karma-Yoga
  14. 14. Nāg Mahāshaya has lost himself in the Divine, his body-consciousness has vanished altogether.
  15. 15. Shri Ramakrishna used to deprecate lukewarmness in spiritual attainments
  16. 16. Shri Ramakrishna was born to vivify all branches of art and culture in this country.
  17. 17. The few days that the body lasts, I will work for you. I shall die in harness.
  18. 18. As far as you can, you must go on doing good work.
  19. 19. Come what may, I shall not forget my duty, whether the world remains or dissolves—these are the words of a great hero.
  20. 20. This Kāli is Brahman in manifestation.
  21. 21. Nothing good in the world becomes fruitless, be it work or thought.
  22. 22. The philosophic portion of the Upanishads has remained unchanged up till now
  23. 23. Always remember that renunciation is the root idea.
  24. 24. God is present in every Jiva; there is no other God besides that.
  25. 25. Real monasticism is not easy to attain. There is no order of life so rigorous as this.
  26. 26. The gift of knowledge is the highest gift in the world.
  27. 27. Shri Ramakrishna was a wonderful gardener.
  28. 28. Without drinking the water of mother Gangā, a sweet, musical voice is not acquired.
  29. 29. Always try to get absorbed in the eternally present Ātman.
Conversations and Dialogues: Shri Priya Nath Sinha
  1. 30. Self-sacrifice, indeed, is the basis of all civilisation.
  2. 31. This idea must be preached to everyone—work, work, endless work—without looking at results,
Conversations and Dialogues: Miscellaneous
  1. 32. Vengeance of History
  2. Religion, Civilisation, And Miracles (The Appeal-Avalanche )
  3. Religion, Civilisation, and Miracles
  4. Religious Harmony
  5. Fallen Women
Translation of Writings
  1. Note
  2. I. Memoirs of European Travel
  3. II. Memoirs of European Travel
  4. III. Memoirs of European Travel-Addenda
Notes of Class Talks and Lectures
  1. On Art
  2. On Music
  3. On Mantra And Mantra-Chaitanya
  4. On Conceptions Of Godhead
  5. On Food
  6. On Sannyasa And Family Life
  7. On Questioning The Competency Of The Guru
  8. Shri Ramakrishna: The Significance Of His Life And Teachings
  9. On Shri Ramakrishna And His Views
  10. Shri Ramakrishna: The Nation's Ideal
Notes of Lectures
  1. Mercenaries In Religion
  2. The Destiny Of Man
  3. Reincarnation
  4. Comparative Theology
  5. Buddhism, The Religion Of The Light Of Asia
  6. The Science Of Yoga
Epistles: Third Series
  1. NOTE
  2. 1. Such courage is impossible in a lying and unchaste woman.
  3. 2. The doctor is a noble soul, and they have got a brotherhood
  4. 3. Of the few places I have recently visited, this is the healthiest.
  5. 4. May the Lord ordain that your son becomes a man, and never a coward!
  6. 5. Whoever takes the name of Ramakrishna, know him to be your Guru
  7. 6. Any shortcoming in adopting remedial measures is to be considered as idleness—it is a fault and a guilt.
  8. 7. How, O man, dost thou want satisfaction in such a world!
  9. 8. You are a real Mahātmā (a great soul) and Mrs. Wright is nonpareil.
  10. 9. All creeds do come from Thee; The Vedas, Bible, and Koran bold Sing Thee in harmony.
  11. 10. He who was guiding me on the snow tops of the Himalayas and the burning plains of India is here to help me and guide me.
  12. 11. Just now I am lecturing about Chicago—and am doing as I think very well
  13. 12. America is the only place where there is a chance of success for everything.
  14. 13. Dr. Momerie came to the Parliament in spite of the Archbishop of Canterbury’s denouncing of the Parliament of Religions.
  15. 14. May your feet never touch the mud and dirt of this terrible world
  16. 15. All religions are sacred to me.
  17. 16. Your love and noble heart can convert the stone into down.
  18. 17. The Lord is great, none can injure His children.
  19. 18. I am a vegetarian …, because I prefer it when I can get it.
  20. 19. It is unnecessary for me to say that I will be very happy to do as you say
  21. 20. The way to God is the opposite to that of the world.
  22. 21. I am bound, my dear friend, to give you every satisfaction of my being a genuine Sannyāsin, but to you alone.
  23. 22. This is a queer place—this world of ours.
  24. 23. Keeping aloof from the community of nations is the only cause for the downfall of India.
  25. 24. May you have exceeding love for one another among yourselves
  26. 25. Be the servant if you will rule. That is the real secret.
  27. 26. It is character that can cleave through adamantine walls of difficulties. Bear this in mind.
  28. 27. If you have the spirit within, you will never fail to attract others.
  29. 28. It is a great work to bring this world into a spirit of sympathy with each other
  30. 29. Teaching has become a part of my life, as necessary to my life as eating or breathing.
  31. 30. The city is hot in summer, exactly like Calcutta.
  32. 31. You must always remember that you are addressing the whole world, not India alone
  33. 32. Obedience is the first duty
  34. 33. The eternal, the infinite, the omnipresent, the omniscient is a principle, not a person.
  35. 34. Our whole country is steeped in Tamas, and nothing but that.
  36. 35. This is the world my brother—this illusion of Māyā—the Lord alone is true.
  37. 36. I only say, awake, awake!
  38. 37. No one of the types we call religious ought to die
  39. 38. It is this yearning that gradually brings on a concentration of the mind on the eternal Brahman.
  40. 39. India is already Ramakrishna’s whether I live a few years more or not.
  41. 40. What we want are brave young men who will work, not tomfools.
  42. 41. Lord bless you for your great self-sacrifice for the poor Indians.
  43. 42. It is absolutely necessary to stand on one’s own feet.
  44. 43. Love stops not for questions of birth. Nor the hungry man for stale food.
  45. 44. Whosoever of you have given me a coat? Whosoever a cigar? Whosoever a bit of fish or flesh?
  46. 45. Miss Noble is doing very well here, and working her way out.
  47. 46. It is a grand sight to see a giant pine struggling against a cyclone. Is it not?
  48. 47. It is the Saviour who should “go his way rejoicing, and not the saved”.
  49. 48. Seeing such souls here and there repays for all the nonsense of this life.
  50. 49. I am eternally thankful to you for all your kindness
  51. 50. I do not mind at all whether people come round to help me or not
  52. 51. It is human nature to ask for more favours (now that they have come) where it gets from.
  53. 52. I just want a bit of peace badly—pray for me.
  54. 53. Eternal faith in Self, in all The sight Divine in great in small