Swami Vivekananda
The Complete Works: Volume VPage 1 of 1

Conversations and Dialogues

IV

INTERMARRIAGE AMONG SUBDIVISIONS OF A VARNA — AGAINST EARLY MARRIAGE — THE EDUCATION THAT INDIANS NEED — BRAHMACHARYA

[Shri Surendra Nath Sen — from private diary]

Monday, the 24th January, 1898.

The same gentleman who was asking questions of Swamiji on Saturday last came again. He raised again the topic of intermarriage and enquired, “How should intermarriage be introduced between different nationalities?”

Swamiji: I do not advise our intermarriage with nations professing an alien religion. At least for the present, that will, of a certainty, slacken the ties of society and be a cause of manifold mischief. It is the intermarriage between people of the same religion that I advocate.

Q. Even then, it will involve much perplexity. Suppose I have a daughter who is born and brought up in Bengal, and I marry her to a Mārāthi or a Madrasi. Neither will the girl understand her husband’s language nor the husband the girl’s. Again, the difference in their individual habits and customs is so great. Such are a few of the troubles in the case of the married couple. Then as regards society, it will make confusion worse confounded.

Swamiji: The time is yet very long in coming when marriages of that kind will be widely possible. Besides, it is not judicious now to go in for that all of a sudden. One of the secrets of work is to go along the line of least resistance. So, first of all, let there be marriages within the sphere of one’s own caste-people. Take for instance, the Kāyasthas of Bengal. They have several subdivisions amongst them, such as, the Uttar-rārhi, Dakshin-rārhi, Bangaja, etc., and they do not intermarry with each other. Now, let there be intermarriages between the Uttar-rārhis and the Dakshin-rārhis, and if that is not possible at present, let it be between the Bangajas and the Dakshin-rārhis. Thus we are to build up that which is already existing, and which is in our hands to reduce into practice—reform does not mean wholesale breaking down.

Q. Very well, let it be as you say: but what corresponding good can come of it?

Swamiji: Don’t you see how in our society, marriage, being restricted for several hundreds of years within the same subdivisions of each caste, has come to such a pass nowadays as virtually to mean marital alliance between cousins and near relations; and how for this very reason the race is getting deteriorated physically, and consequently all sorts of disease and other evils are finding a ready entrance into it? The blood having had to circulate within the narrow circle of a limited number of individuals has become vitiated; so the new-born children inherit from their very birth the constitutional diseases of their fathers. Thus, born with poor blood, their bodies have very little power to resist the microbes of any disease, which are ever ready to prey upon them. It is only by widening the circle of marriage that we can infuse a new and a different kind of blood into our progeny, so that they may be saved from the clutches of many of our present-day diseases and other consequent evils.

Q. May I ask you, sir, what is your opinion about early marriage?

Swamiji: Amongst the educated classes in Bengal, the custom of marrying their boys too early is dying out gradually. The girls are also given in marriage a year or two older than before, but that has been under compulsion—from pecuniary want. Whatever might be the reason for it, the age of marrying girls should be raised still higher. But what will the poor father do? As soon as the girl grows up a little, every one of the female sex, beginning with the mother down to the relatives and neighbours even, will begin to cry out that he must find a bridegroom for her, and will not leave him in peace until he does so! And, about your religious hypocrites, the less said the better. In these days no one hears them, but still they will take up the role of leaders themselves. The rulers passed the Age of Consent Bill prohibiting a man under the threat of penalty to live with a girl of twelve years, and at once all these so-called leaders of your religion raised a tremendous hue and cry against it, sounding the alarm, “Alas, our religion is lost!” As if religion consisted in making a girl a mother at the age of twelve or thirteen! So the rulers also naturally think, “Goodness gracious! What a religion is theirs! And these people lead political agitations and demand political rights!”

Q. Then, in your opinion, both men and women should be married at an advanced age?

Swamiji: Certainly. But education should be imparted along with it, otherwise irregularity and corruption will ensue. By education I do not mean the present system, but something in the line of positive teaching. Mere book-learning won’t do. We want that education by which character is formed, strength of mind is increased, the intellect is expanded, and by which one can stand on one’s own feet.

Q. We have to reform our women in many ways.

Swamiji: With such an education women will solve their own problems. They have all the time been trained in helplessness, servile dependence on others, and so they are good only to weep their eyes out at the slightest approach of a mishap or danger. Along with other things they should acquire the spirit of valour and heroism. In the present day it has become necessary for them also to learn self-defence. See how grand was the Queen of Jhānsi!

Q. What you advise is quite a new departure, and it will, I am afraid, take a very long time yet to train our women in that way.

Swamiji: Anyhow, we have to try our best. We have not only to teach them but to teach ourselves also. Mere begetting children does not make a father; a great many responsibilities have to be taken upon one’s shoulders as well. To make a beginning in women’s education: our Hindu women easily understand what chastity means, because it is their heritage. Now, first of all, intensify that ideal within them above everything else, so that they may develop a strong character by the force of which, in every stage of their life, whether married, or single if they prefer to remain so, they will not be in the least afraid even to give up their lives rather than flinch an inch from their chastity. Is it little heroism to be able to sacrifice one’s life for the sake of one’s ideal, whatever that ideal may be? Studying the present needs of the age, it seems imperative to train some women up in the ideal of renunciation, so that they will take up the vow of lifelong virginity, fired with the strength of that virtue of chastity which is innate in their life-blood from hoary antiquity. Along with that they should be taught sciences and other things which would be of benefit, not only to them but to others as well, and knowing this they would easily learn these things and feel pleasure in doing so. Our motherland requires for her well-being some of her children to become such pure-souled Brahmachārins and Brahmachārinis.

Q. In what way will that conduce to her well-being?

Swamiji: By their example and through their endeavours to hold the national ideal before the eyes of the people, a revolution in thoughts and aspirations will take place. How do matters stand now? Somehow, the parents must dispose of a girl in marriage, if she be nine or ten years of age! And what a rejoicing of the whole family if a child is born to her at the age of thirteen! If the trend of such ideas is reversed, then only there is some hope for the ancient Shraddhā to return. And what to talk of those who will practise Brahmacharya as defined above—think how much faith in themselves will be theirs! And what a power for good they will be!

The questioner now saluted Swamiji and was ready to take leave. Swamiji asked him to come now and then. “Certainly, sir,” replied the gentleman, “I feel so much benefited. I have heard from you many new things, which I have not been told anywhere before.” I also went home as it was about time for dinner.

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Contents

Epistles: First Series
  1. NOTE
  2. Be moral. Be brave.
  3. We must travel, we must go to foreign parts
  4. Calm and silent and steady work
  5. Feel for the miserable and look up for help — it shall come
  6. The Hindu must not give up his religion
  7. Do you know who is the real “Shakti-worshipper”?
  8. My whole ambition in life is to set in motion a machinery
  9. Up, up, my boys, we are sure to win!
  10. Whenever anyone of you is sick
  11. Appreciation or no appreciation, sleep not, slacken not.
  12. Fight on bravely! Life is short! Give it up to a great cause
  13. XII
  14. You will have to take charge of the whole movement, not as a leader, but as a servant
  15. Asians are the most charitable race in the world
  16. Wait, have patience, everything will come right in time
  17. XVI
  18. I care only for the Spirit—when that is right everything will be righted by itself
  19. Hope and do not despair
  20. XIX
  21. XX
  22. Look not at me, look to yourselves
  23. The life of Shri Ramakrishna was an extraordinary searchlight
  24. Preach Shri Ramakrishna. Pass the Cup that has satisfied your thirst. Preach Bhakti
  25. Remember that "Never one meets with evil who tries to do good"
  26. It is jealousy and want of combination which cause and perpetuate slavery
  27. XXVI
  28. Go to work, the rest will come
  29. I owe much to the Hale family
  30. Even after death I shall work for the good of the world
  31. Work for the idea, not the person
  32. 31. Coming and going is all pure delusion. The soul never comes nor goes
  33. 32. One cannot serve the God of Truth who leans upon somebody
  34. 33. Do not lose heart, do not lose faith in your Guru, do not lose faith in God
  35. 34. All’s well that ends well
  36. 35. Do not figure out big plans at first, but begin slowly, feel your ground, and proceed up and up
  37. 36. Hoping you the best dreams (for that is the only way to be happy)
  38. 37. Be cheerful.… Hold on to your own idea. Be the servant of all.
  39. 38. Love makes the whole universe as one's own home.
  40. 39. Be the servant of all, and do not try in the least to govern others.
  41. 40. Men are more valuable than all the wealth of the world.
  42. 41. A pestle must pound even if it goes to heaven.
  43. 42. Work on, my boy. Rome was not built in a day.
  44. 43. My disciples must not be cowards.
  45. 44. I wish you a life that will be like a torch to generations to come
  46. 45. May the Lord bless you and yours for ever and ever
  47. 46. May all happiness be yours for ever
  48. 47. Each work has to pass through these stages—ridicule, opposition, and then acceptance.
  49. 48. It is unnecessary to repeat my everlasting love and blessings for you and yours.
  50. 49. Truth is my God, the universe my country
  51. 50. Man is the greatest of all beings.
  52. 51. E. T. Sturdy
  53. 52. God and truth are the only politics in the world, everything else is trash.
  54. 53. So long as you are pure, and true to your principles, you will never fail.
  55. 54. Any other Hindu would have died if he had to work as hard as I have to.
  56. 55. Be perfectly pure in money dealings.
  57. 56. The whole life is a succession of dreams.
  58. 57. I am working a good deal now upon the cosmology and eschatology of the Vedānta
  59. 58. The dry, abstract Advaita must become living
  60. 59. The greatness of a teacher consists in the simplicity of his language.
  61. 60. So long as you have faith in your Guru, nothing will be able to obstruct your way.
  62. 61. Be obedient and eternally faithful to the cause of truth, humanity, and your country
  63. 62. The lotus is a symbol of regeneration.
  64. 63. Nothing can resist truth.
  65. 64. Work on! Hold on! Be brave! Dare anything and everything!
  66. 65. E.T. Sturdy
  67. 66. Work unto death—I am with you, and when I am gone, my spirit will work with you.
  68. 67. Work on with all energy.
  69. 68. I wish at least that a million Hindus had travelled all over the world!
  70. 69. We Hindus are so slow that when we have done a work, the opportunity has already passed away, and thus we are the losers.
  71. 70. We must remember that gratitude and hospitality are the peculiar characteristics of Indian humanity
  72. 71. Goodwin is an Englishman, through whose shorthand notes it has been possible for the pamphlets to be published.
  73. 72. You must not forget that my interests are international and not Indian alone
  74. 73. We have to learn that evil is destroyed by the growth of good.
  75. 74. Good motives, sincerity, and infinite love can conquer the world.
  76. 75. In Darjeeling I always felt that I was not the same man. Here I feel that I have no disease whatsoever
  77. 76. The word Vedas includes the three parts, the Samhitās, the Brāhmanas, and the Upanishads
  78. 77. For us, it is not to pity but to serve. Ours is not the feeling of compassion but of love
  79. 78. May I be born again and again, and suffer thousands of miseries so that I may worship the only God that exists
  80. 79. I am going down to the plains to be harnessed once more for work.
  81. 80. The work of the Mother will not suffer; because it has been built and up to date maintained upon truth
  82. 81. I have no more faith in all this noise and humbug which brings no practical good.
  83. 82. Our Teacher and Lord was so original, and each one of us will have to be original or nothing.
  84. 83. I want a couple of tiger skins, if I can, to be sent to the Math as present to two European friends
  85. 84. I have no shame to beg of one person in the world and that is yourself.
  86. 85. For the last ten years or so I have not seen the Pujā of Shri Durgā in Bengal which is the great affair there.
  87. 86. Do not lose heart if anything befalls, the “Mother” is your protection.
  88. 87. There is only one element in life which is worth having at any cost, and it is love.
  89. 88. Ever praying for you and yours
  90. 89. Those institutions should be encouraged by which men advance in the path of freedom.
  91. 90. My last breath will be on the battlefield.
  92. 91. May you be protected from all dangers and may all blessings ever attend you!
  93. 92. The secret of life is not enjoyment, but education through experience.
  94. 93. Give my love to all. Don’t work too hard.
  95. 94. Kāli has taken two sacrifices; the cause has already two European martyrs. Now, it is going to rise up splendidly.
  96. 95. This life is full of shocks, but the effects pass away anyhow, that is the hope.
  97. 96. I am going to take my mother on pilgrimage next week.
  98. 97. I am going with my mother to Rameswaram
  99. 98. Everybody is praising Margot's Kali the Mother; but alas! they can't get a book to buy
  100. 99. I am ever so glad to hear that Bois is coming to Calcutta.
  101. 100. I am so glad you saw Mr. Tata and find him so strong and good.
  102. 101. Good solid work must wait.
  103. 102. I have just returned from my tour through East Bengal and Assam.
  104. 103. The subtle Hindu's gratitude runs through generations.
  105. 104. Know this for certain that my love can never cease.
  106. 105. Certainly it is very desirable to establish a connection between India and Japan.
  107. 106. Never mind, I am trying my best. Only my terribly poor health
  108. 107. I can’t even in imagination pay the immense debt of gratitude I owe you.
  109. 108. The snake represents mysticism; the sun knowledge; the worked up waters activity; the lotus love; the swan the soul in the midst of all.
  110. 109. I have dedicated you to the Mother. She is your shield, your guide.
  111. 110. Meeting or no meeting, I remain, Ever your loving brother
  112. 111. “Mother” knows best. That is all I know too.
  113. 112. The idea of taking a house for a whole year must be worked out with deliberation.
  114. 113. Lord Curzon was not allowed inside.
  115. 114. A total revolution has occurred in my mind about the relation of Buddhism and Neo-Hinduism
  116. 115. The reception Nivedita had in Madras was for the good of both Nivedita and Madras.
  117. 116. If there was any truth in Shri Ramakrishna, may He take you into His leading
  118. 117. Continue doing your work as the Lord guides. Why bother about the opinion of this man and that?
  119. 118. Give a little money—whatever is needed.
  120. 119. Write me in detail about the matter of the Nepal Minister.
  121. 120. Now I shall be relieved if I get the accounts.
  122. 121. How did you like Mayavati? Write me a line about it.
  123. 122. A great idea of quiet has come upon me.
  124. 123. A race must first cultivate a great respect for motherhood, through the sanctification and inviolability of marriage
Interviews
  1. Miracles
  2. An Indian Yogi in London
  3. India's Mission
  4. India and England
  5. Indian Missionary's Mission to England
  6. With the Swami Vivekananda at Madura
  7. The Abroad and the Problems at Home
  8. The Missionary Work of the First Hindu Sannyasin to the West
  9. Reawakening of Hinduism on a National Basis
  10. On Indian Women — Their Past, Present and Future
  11. On the Bounds of Hinduism
Notes from Lectures and Discourses
  1. On Karma-Yoga
  2. On Fanaticism
  3. Work Is Worship
  4. Work Without Motive
  5. Sadhanas or Preparations for Higher Life
  6. The Cosmos and the Self
  7. Who Is a Real Guru?
  8. On Art
  9. On Language
  10. The Sannyasin
  11. The Sannyasin and the Householder
  12. The Evils of Adhikarivada
  13. On Bhakti-Yoga
  14. Ishvara and Brahman
  15. On Jnana-Yoga
  16. The Cause of Illusion
  17. Evolution
  18. Buddhism and Vedanta
  19. On the Vedanta Philosophy
  20. Law and Freedom
  21. The Goal and Methods of Realisation
  22. World-Wide Unity
  23. The Aim of Raja-Yoga
Questions and Answers
  1. I. A Discussion
  2. II. At the Twentieth Century Club of Boston, U. S. A.
  3. III. At the Brooklyn Ethical Society, Brooklyn, U. S. A.
  4. IV. Selections from the Math Diary
  5. V. Yoga, Vairagya, Tapasya, Love
  6. VI. in Answer to Nivedita
  7. VII. Guru, Avatara, Yoga, Japa, Seva
Conversations and Dialogues
  1. I
  2. II
  3. III
  4. IV
  5. V
  6. VI
  7. VII
  8. VIII
  9. IX
  10. X
  11. XI
  12. XII
  13. XIII
  14. XIV
  15. XV
Sayings and Utterances
  1. Sayings and Utterances
Writings: Prose and Poems
  1. Reason, Faith and Love
  2. Six Sanskrit Mottoes
  3. The Message of Divine Wisdom
  4. The Belur Math: an Appeal
  5. The Advaita Ashrama, Himalayas
  6. The Ramakrishna Home of Service Varanasi: an Appeal
  7. Who Knows How Mother Plays!
  8. To the Fourth of July
  9. The East and the West